Anybody using sub6 LAA Band46 B46 5200MHz ?

[R1250GSA]

This is a newer band from 5150 to 5925MHz.
Unlicensed spectrum so I would imagine it will be popular with the carriers.
Found in newer modem modules and leveraged with carrier aggregation.

I wanted to know if anyone is using? What carrier is using live? good bit rates? What antennas?

In shopping for antennas for my setup,
Future proof antennas with the full ultra wide band 600 to 6000 frequency spectrum are not too plentiful. Besides finding one with B71 600MHz, most top out at 2700 or 3800.

[Dr-BroadBand]

Poynting has a NEW panel antenna coming out soon that could meet your needs.

I am waiting for them to send me a data sheet.
Will keep you updated!

See Attachment

https://poynting.tech

[R1250GSA]

Hey Dr. BB,

Thank you for this.

Yes, I had found this one.
I had sent an email to Poynting about 6 to 6 freq but it was ignored.
But I did find one web site in US that carries the new US version of their XPOL cross polarized antenna with B71. But sadly, the frequency range caps at 3800.
If I do not need the LAA range of 5k, then the new US XPOL maybe perfect.

So the question still remains, is the LTE-LAA B46 viable and worthy of making sure I have antenna support for it.

[Dr-BroadBand]

T-Mobile is the ONLY carrier the has Band-71

Speed can very from tower to tower 5Mb to ~100Mb!
Take your modem on a road trip some time.

Another antenna option would be
Ultra Wide-Band Cellular Antenna (Long Range) High Gain Parabolic Grid 26 dBi Gain

Most lack the skills or patients needed to get this antenna to work. Think laser pointer!!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PQ978P9/?c ... Z50R&psc=1

[R1250GSA]

Yes, B71 only T-Mo, they appear to be my strongest signal.
Yes, Bolton needs laser focus. Flat panel may be more appropriate.
I also have a 6 to 6 thread under the Antenna forum.
The only other antenna I found is a RFMAX Yagi.

My kit is in the works, and will hopefully be mobile enough to drive around a bit.
My CellMapper experience has been limited as my Android phone is older with less bands/capabilities.

LAA Band 46 yielded 750 Mbps in field tests by AT&T and T-Mobile in 2017.
PC Magazine found a TMobile tower in NYC and got 503DL/42UL in March 2018.
Was hoping for more traction.
Sadly all of the Gigabit and beyond technology may only be deployed in urban settings.

[R1250GSA]

Will LTE-LAA just be an urban legend? Or will it expand to more rural towers?
One would hope as the frequency band is free and everyone is a pirate at heart.
Since 5G Mmwave don't propagate, this is the best chance for some rural bandwidth.

LTE-LAA
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LAA has been called a “great equalizer” in that a lot of operators around the world don’t have enough licensed spectrum to achieve gigabit LTE, but if they use unlicensed spectrum and LAA, they're able to deliver that.

Jun 2017 ATT Field Trials 750+ Mbps in San Fran
Jun 2017 TMobile Field Test 741 Mbps
Feb 2018 T-Mobile and Nokia achieve 1.3 Gbps LTE with 14 layers, 5-CA, QAM254, 4x4 MIMO
July 2018 ATT more than halfway to enable LAA in 24 markets this year.

Sep 2018 Verizon touts 1.4 Gbps LTE speeds with unlicensed spectrum, carrier aggregation
Verizon and its partners Nokia and Qualcomm said they were able to achieve the 1.4 Gbps peak speed on a commercial LTE network in New York by using six-channel carrier aggregation,
For its New York effort specifically, Verizon said it combined one carrier of its licensed PCS spectrum with one carrier of its licensed AWS spectrum and four carriers of LAA (License Assisted Access) spectrum.

March 2018 The folks at PCMag teamed up with Ookla (the Speedtest guys) this week, as they discovered a T-Mobile cell site in New York City that was outfitted with LAA and happened to be live. They ran some speed tests and averaged 503Mbps down and 42.27Mbps up. AVERAGED.

[Dr-BroadBand]

My kit is in the works, and will hopefully be mobile enough to drive around a bit.
My CellMapper experience has been limited as my Android phone is older with less bands/capabilities.

See Milwaukee Top-Off 175W Power Brick

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/ ... er/2846-20

Milwaukee Top Off Power 175W.jpg

[Dr-BroadBand]

Starlink is putting on hardware up today!!

Only 11,000 more to go …..

https://www.starlink.com

[R1250GSA]

Although both items are cool, Elon's ISP and a power brick, neither relate to my thread.

[Dr-BroadBand]

Sorry about that, the power brick was to aid with your " mobile" setup.
Elon was a brain fart on my part, if we had Starlink you would not need a " mobile" setup.

[R1250GSA]

It's all good Dr. BB.

I have met Elon, although he is really "out there", I would not call him a brain fart. lol

[ylrkdr]

Halberd Bastion has antennas designed for mobile use that'll go up to 6k mhz, but alas, will only go down to 698 mhz.

[R1250GSA]

Fingers crossed that all LTE antenna evolve to sub6 0.6-6.0GHz, quickly....

[BillA]

LAA band 46 seems to be used by ATT in certain areas only, at least for now. I have locked both my phone and modem to band 46 alone, but there was no signal at all. Here are the bands currently used by US carriers.

4G-LTE (* = Primary bands)
ATT = *2, 4, 5, 12, 14, 17, 29, 30, 46, 66
TMO = 2, *4, 5, 12, 46, 66, 71
VZW = 2, 4, 5, *13, 66
SPR = *25, 26, 41

5G sub-6Ghz used primarily by ATT and Tmobile (bands designated by the lower case letter "n")
n2 (1,900Mhz), n5 (850MHz), *n41 (2,500MHz), n66 (AWS-3), *n71 (600MHz)

5G mmWave used primarily by Verizon (bands designated by the upper case letter "N")
N260 (39GHz), N261 (28GHz)

There's so much Hertz, it hurts! ;D

[R1250GSA]

Hey Bill,

Nice recap of all the bands.
The one that is missing is B46!
I am still hopeful that this band will pop up like daisies and give us all a bandwidth boost.
I don't think many iphone models support B46 and that is a large % of phones.

P.S. LAA needs its primary CC from a licensed band, so locking to just B46 may not be a fair test.

[Dr-BroadBand]

All the newer iPhones has B46

If you have an iPhone call this number *3001#12345#*
to enter into field test mode will give you all the data for the modem

FDD‑LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 29, 30, 66, 71)
TD‑LTE (Bands 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 46, 48)
CDMA EV‑DO Rev. A (800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/DC‑HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

[R1250GSA]

LTE LAA sizzle or fizzle?

Initially very excited, I found a diamond in the rough, I could get some serious bandwidth, a fool would buy a modem and antenna that don't support these newer bands...
Ehhh...

B46 support can be found in Sierra and Telit LTE-Advanced Pro Cat-12 modules and above.
Newer mobile phones hopefully have support.
The frequency band is only LTE, not assigned to 5G, there is no new radio n46 counterpart.
Besides having some success in field tests, the effort appears to have stalled.
Maybe there are some stellar battles being waged after the pilot testing...
I assume the main issue is coexistence with WiFi.
I postulate that the LBT(Listen Before Talk) logic of LAA, if run on the end point(phone or router), would usually see 5Ghz WiFi happily chugging away, and not enable B46?
With that, when could you leverage? Turn off WiFi and be in the middle of a field by yourself?
Maybe the only way to leverage in a controlled home environment would be to disable all 5Ghz WiFi and only use 2.4Ghz WiFi, I have no idea if 5G bleed over from your neighbor would shut it down.

Maybe its too new….but due to the lack of field experience on this board, it has fizzled.

This may make my outdoor antenna search drop from sub-6 to sub-5, and really sub-4 as there is only one 5G n79 band in the 4k range.
So the Poynting XPOL-2-V3-5G-US includes b71 and goes to 3800MHz, is looking very viable.